Rejecting Hadiths: The Fitnah of the Quranists

Hadiths

There are some “Muslims” in our times who follow a recent new movement (19th-20th century) which rejects hadiths, hence, deviating from the path of mainstream Islam. They pose and comment on many issues related to Islam from their viewpoint and reject many fundamental aspects of our religion.  Worst of all, they try to present their views as the mainstream opinion. It should be made clear that they do not represent mainstream Islam or Muslims in any way or form. The ummah (nation) of Muhammad (pbuh) accepts the Qur’an and hadiths as legitimate forms of sources for deriving Islamic laws. We, the mainstream Muslims, acknowledge that both, the Qur’an and hadiths, are a guidance from Allah.

Their History:

During the colonial period, when most of the Muslim world came under the subjugation of the West, some “scholars” arose in places like Egypt (Taha Hussein), India (Abdullah Chakralawi and Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz), and Turkey (Zia Gogelup), who began questioning the authenticity and relevance of hadith. It was not that some genius had found flaws in the hadith study that had eluded the entire ummah for thirteen centuries. It was simply that the pressures from the dominant Western civilization to conform were too strong for them to withstand. They buckled. Prophetic teachings and life example — Hadith — was the obstacle in this process and so it became the target. (Source)

About their movement:

It is a movement that holds the Qur’an to be the most authentic criterion in Islam. Quranists (a common name for them) generally reject the religious authority of Hadith (cataloged narratives of what the Prophet Muhammad is reported to have said and done), as they consider it inconsistent with the Qur’an. This in contrast to the Sunni, Shia and Ibadi doctrines which consider hadiths essential for the Islamic faith. (Source)

However, we the mainstream Muslims (whose ideology has existed since the time of the Prophet) believe that hadiths are necessary and are a legitimate form of extraction for divine guidance. We believe that Qur’an and hadiths go hand in hand and one explains the other. The Qur’an is general and the sunnah is specific and detailed. Hadiths are the interpretation of the Qur’an by the Prophet (pbuh). The Quranists’ rejection of hadiths have led them to turn the Qur’an into a toy which they interpret based on their own intellect and desires. The hadiths, the mainstream Muslims say, preserve the meaning of the Qur’an. This is why Allah tells us in the Qur’an [meaning of which is]:

And We revealed to you [O Muhammad] the message [Qur’an] that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought. [Qur’an 16:44]

His HADITHS are that clarification!

There are also verses in the Qur’an where Allah specifically commands the Muslims to obey the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), for example:

And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. [Qur’an 4:64]

But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission. [Qur’an 4:65]

He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away – We have not sent you over them as a guardian. [Qur’an 4:80]

This is how the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) understood the religion as well. They understood that not everything is in the Qur’an. For example, it is narrated from Abdullah bin Khalid that he said to Abdullah bin Umar, the son of the second caliph of Islam:

“We find (mention of) the prayer of the resident and the prayer in a state of fear in the Qur’an, but we do not find any mention of the prayer of the traveler. Abdullah said to him: ‘Allah sent Muhammad (pbuh) to us, and we did not know anything, rather we do what we saw Muhammad (pbuh) doing.”  (Reported by Ibn Majah, Ibn Qayyim said it is authentic)

The prophet (pbuh) warned us against them in a hadith:

“Soon there will come a time that a man will be reclining on his pillow, and when one of my hadiths is narrated he will say: ‘The Book of Allah is (sufficient) between us and you. Whatever it states is permissible, we will take as permissible, and whatever it states is forbidden, we will take as forbidden.’ Verily, whatever the Messenger of Allah has forbidden is like that which Allah has forbidden.”  (Reported by Ahmad, Abu Daawood, Ibn Maajah and at-Tirmidhee, who declared it hasan. Al-Albaanee declared it saheeh in Saheehul-Jaami’ (no.8186))

Their Hypocrisies:

These hadith rejectors will criticize the sunnis for relying on hadiths while it was these same sunnis who preserved the Qur’an generation after generation! For some reason, they have trouble understanding the fact that if they do not trust our preservation methods when it comes to hadiths, then why do they trust our preservation method when it comes to the Qur’an?! An ignorant among them once responded to me with: “because the Qur’an was compiled during the time of the Prophet (pbuh).” This is completely false! It was compiled after the time of the Prophet by the same people who today call themselves Ahlu Sunnah wal Jama’ah (a.k.a SUNNI)! The ironic thing is if one were to ask them about the history of the Qur’an, they would have to go to hadiths else there is no other way. The Qur’an itself does not give its history. Hence, they will go to hadiths when it suits their agenda and ideology.

There are numerous verses which cannot be understood without hadiths, for example:

Why [is it that] when a disaster struck you, although you had struck with one twice as great, you said, “From where is this?” Say, “It is from yourselves.” Indeed, Allah is over all things competent. [Qur’an 3:165]

When did this verse come down? What disaster is this verse talking about? What was struck twice as great?

Another verse:

And what struck you on the day the two armies met was by permission of Allah that He might make evident the [true] believers. [Qur’an 3:166]

What two armies? And on what day? Where is this information in the Qur’an?

And there are so many other examples.

Refutations against them:

Alhamdulillah, they have been refuted profoundly throughout the Muslim world. Following is a list of some refutations against them:

Questions that the Quranites Have No Good Logical Responses To

Objections of the Rejecters of Hadith and a response to them

A Look at Hadith Rejecters’ Claims

Hadiths: False Tales or Authentic Narrations? – A small article proving that hadiths were in fact written down in the first three generations, a fact that hadith rejectors and orientalists deny.

Book: Studies in Early Hadith Literature – This is an excellent work that refutes many of their claims. It was such a slap in the face of the hadith deniers that it was actually translated into Arabic. This is really rare in Islamic scholarship because usually Arabic works are translated into English.

Book: The Authority and Importance of the Sunnah

Book: A Critical Analysis of the Modernists and Hadeeth Rejecters

Problems With Hadith Rejection – Nouman Ali Khan

The Quran Defends the Sunnah – Nouman Ali Khan

Why do we need Hadith if the Quran is enough? – Nouman Ali Khan

Hadith: Between Muslim Conviction & Western Criticism – Dr. Jonathan Brown

And there is so much more stuff out there!



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  1. 16:82 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message

    4:79-80 Say: ‘Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper.”

    17:53-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe…. Hence, we have not sent you with power to determine their Faith

    24.54. Say: “Obey God, and obey the Messenger, but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

    88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

    42:6 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach

    64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

    28.55-56 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away there from and say: “To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant,” It is true thou wilt not be able to guide whom thou lovest; but God guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance

    39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

    67:25 26 And they ask, “When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?” Say, “The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner.”

    As we can clearly see, many of the verses that talks about obeying the prophet also emphasizes the prophet’s limited authority, something that the Islamic sects do not recognize. The ruler to them has the authority to punish people for what they consider sins like drinking alcohol, eating pork, not fasting Ramadan, watching pornos etc.

    The Koran meanwhile focuses on crimes against another like stealing, killing, slandering of women falsely and oppression. It gave the believers the right to fight against those who fight them but not to transgress. It also gave people the right to defend themselves against evictions from their lands. There is no talk about punishing people for something that does not concern somebody else’s right.

    Adultery is the only place where the Koran diverted from this due to the fact that a adultery affects another party. Here the Koran sees adultery as affecting the other partner in a marriage. It’s a betrayal and a breaking of oath. But even then it placed strict standards on that but was lenient when it came to punishing slanders of women. Adultery needs four witnesses but the slander can get punished just from opening his mouth without four witnesses. It’s clear that the verse made it very difficult to implement on adultery but very easy to implement on the slanderer. Further reading of the verse about the Zani and Zania shows us that the issue came up concerning slandering of one of the prophet’s wife presumably. But adultery still affects another party as its a breaking of an oath between a man and a woman and is an act of betrayal.

    The Koran cannot order the prophet to punish people for sins, that God’s job. The Koran gave people the right and freedom to disbelieve let alone sin. Plus how the Koran understands sins is very different than how the sects understand sins.

    In the end the sects had no choice but to abrogate many of these verses, usually invoking the “sword verse”. They claim that many of these verses that gave the prophet limited authority(over those who chose to disobey him) has been abrogated by verse 9-5 or verse 9-29.

    However these verses were about the wars with the pagans, and verse 9-13 and many other verses makes it clear who instigated these battles and why. The Jizya verse (9-29) also was claimed by the sects to be a tax to be paid by non Muslims in an Islamic state for protection. However Jizya never came concerning the Medina community where the prophet and his followers had a community. And only came upon the believers entering of Mecca. Jizya could have easily been compensation for the loss of property and homes that the believers suffered after being forced into exile. The Koran forbade prophets from seeking any form of reward. They can however accept charity on behalf of the believers.

    But the Sunnah claimed otherwise. In it the prophet was ordered to fight the people till they acknowledge monotheism and also in it the prophet ordered the execution of those who apostate. That’s why they abrogated many of the verses that limited his authority. Then they simply transferred that authority to the Muslim ruler by default. The Ridda war story about Abu Bakr is a case study of this. In that story Abu Bakr apparently fought people for not paying Zakat. Now the authority was transferred from God to the prophet to one of his companions. This made it very easy to then transfer that authority to the ruler. This is why you see places where Shariah law is implemented filled with such concepts like searching cars for alcohol or flogging people for watching pornos or not wearing proper attire. None of this should concern anyone but it has become a punishable sin. God only punishes those who did not get caught and punished in this world. The sects claimed that once punished the sin falls away and disappears. You will not find such a concept in the Koran. There God punishes in a million ways and does not need humans to punish for him. I think the sects introduced this conc3ept to make people more accepting of this by making them think its better for them since God’s punishment is more severe. They also introduced stoning the adulterer by claiming the Zina verse in the Koran is concerning fornification and not adultery. They claimed that the verse about stoning was lost and is not included in the Koran but the ruling remains.

    This of course violated not only the freedom aspect of the Koran but also an eye for an eye and a life for a life. In the Koran, any punishment must be reciprocal and proportionate to the crime and it also must be targeted towards the actual perpetrators of the crime and not someone else associated to the criminal as the case with tribal laws that simply targets anyone from that tribe. They broke this by lower the bar for executions. Some Sunni scholars also gave the authority to execute homosexuals and enslave female prisoners and execute male prisoners. Something the Koran forbade. The Koran gave two options for prisoners, either freedom or ransom of some sort. They gave this authority to the ruler. This is all very sad as the taking of someone’s life is no easy matter in the Koran. God should take life and not humans, but if a person takes a life then he lost his right to live, but even then the Koran gave exile from the community as another option for murder especially if the person shows repentance. So an eye for an eye and a tooth for tooth somehow ended up being an eye for an eye lash and a tooth for a jaw.

    To be fair the Sunni orthodoxy rarely practiced some of these laws. We know of no time in history where adulterers were stoned to death. Apostasy was rarely practiced, unlike the Christians in Europe that practiced these laws left and right. So the Sunni jurist knew that some of these laws could be controversial and therefore they tended to avoid them.

    Its very unfortunate the current Islamist in Iran and Sudan and the Salafis in generally never understood why these laws were controversial. But in doing so they exposed much aspect of the sects that people were not aware of. The Sufis provided a convenient cover as they shunned legalism. But even the clerics understood that these laws were controversial. Its not easy in Islam to execute outside of murder. But this wise tradition was broken. That’s very unfortunant as now we see the culture of death has spread among Muslims till Islam became synonymous with violence and killing. Once you lower the bar it spirals out of control.

    One thing is crystal clear from all this. The Koran’s take on human authority and freedom is RADICALLY different than how the Sunni/Shia sects understand it. Therefore the biggest difference between a Koranic state and a Sunni or Shia state will come in the form of the state’s authority over the masses. It is this, more than anything else, that separates the Koran from the Sunnah. That’s why the Abbasids championed the Sunnah over the Mutazilites. The Mutaziltes couldn’t find the ink inthe Koran to give them such draconian authority. The sects did that by first bringing the divine authority from God to prophet, then propet to Caliph (companions) and now that authority is in Omar Al Bashir, Khamenei, Mullah Omar and Al Saud. And that’s very sad.

    • I am not sure where you copy and pasted this from but as usual, the arguments presented by Quranists are extremely weak. It is no wonder that the rest of us vast majority Muslims could care less for it. Whoever wrote this has very elementary understanding of Islamic history and sciences. The article above still holds true and the links/books provided further elaborate on it and defend the TRUE understanding of Islam as it was meant to be WITH the sunnah. Just study your own history, Quranism is influenced by Western non-Muslim academia on Islam (a.k.a. Orientalists). We the Muslims will keep the sunnah, rely on the sunnah, and die for the sunnah.

      • You just ignored his whole essay by saying “he copy pasted it”?
        Woot.

        TRUE understanding as in the understanding of dead imams and such? whereas the quran specifically states that the prophet is a messenger, no more human than any of us, that the ultimate miracle is the Quran. How many hadiths can you find that states our beloved prophet is capable of miracles?

        Hadith also assumes that the sahabah has perfect memory and perfect honor, and a person can be classified sahabah just because he met the prophet once or twice.

        And just the fact that 200years after the death of the prophet, that there is 600000 hadiths in existance and only a small portion is “good” shows how much hadith can be corrupted. This simple fact destroys the argument of “hadiths has been recorded since the death of the prophet”

      • Hey, if you don’t trust our compilation of “hadiths” then why on earth does your newly formed, western orientalist influenced group trust our compilation of the Qur’an?! It was done by us, the followers of the Qur’an AND Sunnah, and not by your recently formed new cult. Name me ONE compiler in the history of Islam that had anything to do with compiling the Qur’an and passing it down that was NOT a believer of hadiths as well. Make sure to cite your sources! Oh, and don’t give me non-Muslim Western or progressive/modern Muslim sources. We the majority of the ummah do NOT trust them.

      • Now you are just dodging the question. There’s many major differences between how the quran and hadith was compiled. The quran did not need a “popularity contest” to ascertain which verses gets into the final product to name one.
        Was abu hurairah not punished for spreading lies? And that he did not lives lavishly for the rest of his life teaching hadiths? That he did not admit faking a hadith which is still in the sahih compilation?
        Is this the person you pick as a infallible spokesperson for the Prophet?

      • @Fan,

        Qur’an is through mutawaatir. All of its verses are mutawaatir which based on the number of people narrating! There are some verses that didn’t make it because they did not meet the criteria of mutawatir.

        As for Abu Hurayrah, yes we absolutely trust him! And false and fictional stories to discredit him IS NOT going to work. Nice job dodging the obvious question “give me a name of ONE person who compiled the Qur’an but did not believe in hadiths!” We compiled it and you guys didn’t exist at that time. We the 99% majority will CONTINUE to believe in hadith!

      • I would like to reply to the people actively arguing with “Anti-Quranist.” Know that even if you warn them, they will not believe. Whoever argues within the terms of religion is on the wrong path.

        If someone could quote the verse in the Quran I would be grateful. I am procrastinating at the moment and need to get back to work haha.

  2. Alsalamu 3alaikom
    {We have, without doubt, sent down the Reminder [i.e., the Quran]; and We will assuredly guard it [from corruption].} (Al-Hijr 15:9)

    you and the 99% didn’t preserve the Quran …Allah did …

    • Wa Salam,

      Through the means of whom? From the chests and hands of whom? Through the means of those who not only preserved the Qur’an, by the Will and Permission of Allah, but hadiths as well. And these same people also believed in the authority of the Sunnah unlike the Qur’anists. Last I checked, the Qur’anists didn’t exist at that time.

      • I hope this answers your question.

        “[Say], “Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?” And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.
        And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
        And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

        Quran, Surah An’am Verses 114-116.

      • Actually, it does not. Read the article again and all of the links related to it. Hadith rejection is a modern phenomenon. Rejecting hadith and accepting Qur’an are contradictory beliefs. It is not possible to accept one and reject the other. Rejecting hadiths casts doubt on the itegrity and reliability of those who preserved them, which in turn, also casts doubt on their preservation of the Qur’an. It cannot be said they preserved the first while failed in the second. Either they reliably preserved both or they failed in both.

    • Thank-you for saying this. Quranists. Submitters. Western Influenced Orientalists Liberals. Whatever. We are all Muslim. No one is trying to “convert” anyone (that I am aware of) to this “modern” way of thinking or looking at our faith. We just happen to be a small sect that believes all of our answers to any of our questions can be found in the perfect jewel, the Holy Quran. La Illaha Il Allahu.

  3. @ SUE Alsalamu 3alaikom
    {We have, without doubt, sent down the Reminder [i.e., the Quran]; and We will assuredly guard it [from corruption].} (Al-Hijr 15:9)

    you and the 99% didn’t preserve the Quran …Allah did …

    OK now tell me SUE who told you that AYAH …. if I assume for a moment that you and the Anti HAdiths are right (Na auzu billah), this ayah could have been placed in the quran( Na auzu Billah) . These are the companions and sahabah of Muhammad (S.A.W) that recorded each and every bit of our prophet’s (S.A.W) life and the the way he responded to each stimuli. If you dont believe in HADITH then you can not believe in QURAN … its the AND condition either you will have to believe both or none…. DONT confuse others and Ask Allah to guide you towards the right Path… Iam not saying to believe everything but use your brains and it will be all clear…

    May Allah guide us All towards the right Path !!

  4. Let me make something clear…. n it’s states the quran came to confirm the teachings of the torah and the gospel…. so if the book differs from the bible in any of the teachings of any of the prophets then that is a falcity…. jesus said let who has no sin cast the first stone but to stone someone two deal or assault them you are breaking one or two commandments…. You can’t accept one and throw the other in the fire…. we have a compilation now to drive the true meaning of what the father has given us to teach…. Two separate between the quran the gospel and the torah is to deny my Father his teaching…. There is only one teacher….. “the path to hell is wide and the road to paradice is narrow”… it applies to all your so called ” separate religions ” when the only thing which differentiates them is the man made traditions accosted to each…

  5. Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

    You realize my brother, if you fail to recognize their kufr as you must, they will gain legitimacy? Quranists follow neither the Quran nor the Sunnah. They are disbelievers NOT Muslims and you NEED to make that very clear. The ONLY people who should be debating them are those who recognize their kufr. Otherwise they will have a platform to debate and a means of gaining legitimacy among Muslims.

  6. May Allah protect this Ummah from them.

  7. Doesn’t your heart shiver when you lie? Mutazilas were anti hadith people and they are from 8th century. Back then there was a ban on hadith books. People were mainly Quran only Muslims. Hence, the golden age came. I am sure now you will come to defend your position by using propaganda generated by traditionalists about the Mutazilas.

    • I’m not sure where you got the information that Mutazilas were anti-hadith. This is not true. In fact they accepted Mutawatir hadiths and even ahaad hadiths with conditions.

      It is also not true that Muslims were Qur’an only Muslims during the golden age. There is not a shred of evidence for this in any of the historical books. The modern anti-hadith movement is a recent phenomenon. The words of the adhaan given before each prayer is proof enough that they were not anti-hadith because the words of adhaan are established through hadiths and NOT Qur’an. The adhaan has been going on since the time of the Noble Messenger (pbuh).

  8. Salam
    Is this debate still active? I may have some points that I would love to share.
    Salam

    • Well now its been reactivated, The last paragraph just kills all Quraniists. These are the best arguments the author gives. And I would like a Quran only person to explain them further 🙂
      . (Not a point but a statement) Quraniis follow their whims and desires without the ahadeeth or sayings of the prophet they interpret the Quran however way they want.
      hey have trouble understanding the fact that if they do not trust our preservation methods when it comes to hadiths, then why do they trust our preservation method when it comes to the Qur’an?! An ignorant among them once responded to me with: “because the Qur’an was compiled during the time of the Prophet (pbuh).” This is completely false! It was compiled after the time of the Prophet by the same people who today call themselves Ahlu Sunnah wal Jama’ah (a.k.a SUNNI)! The ((((((((((((((((((((((((ironic thing is if one were to ask them about the history of the Qur’an, they would have to go to hadiths else there is no other way. The Qur’an itself does not give its history.))))))))))))))))))))))))) Hence, they will go to hadiths when it suits their agenda and ideology.
      Do they follow the seerah or not?????
      And what do u say about the ayaat in the Quran where Allah (swt) says:
      ﰁﰂﰃﰄﰅﰆﰇﰈﰉﰊﰋﰌﰍﰎﰏﰐﰑﰒﰓ
      “O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger” (4:59)

      There are a bunch of ayaat in the Quran stating this. This is just one example.

      THESE ARE MY POINTS .

      WHY DO QURANIISTS TRY TO POTRAY THEMSELVES AS THE MAINSTREAM OPINION. YOU’RE NOT MAINSTREAM, RAHTER YOU’RE A VERY SMALL MINORITY

      • Just like the gospel is of Jesus. It took ONLY 40 years before the recording of the life of jesus started and THE ENTIRE MESSAGE of Christianity was changed completely! Imagine what would happen for a 200 year period. Telling a Hadither That The hadith is NOT PART of Allahs Instructions but a mere collection of ERROR filled works… is like telling a christian Jesus is NOT the son of God. They will say anything to reject THE QURAN ONLY. They tell you the hadith are ONLY explanations BUT THERE IS over 80% of what they practice of islam NOT FOUND in the Quran… and it gets you wondering WHY ALLAH would allow Bukhari to come and do the MAJOR part of traditional Islamic work ; COMPILING the hadith.

        They try to say THOSE who believe in the Quran alone Do not believe in the prophet THIS IS ERRANT LIE… The prophet live, Judged and when he died he left QURAN ALONE. If the hadith were part of the works he should leave for us. HE COULD HAVE SET UP A DIFFERENT SCRIBE TO WRITE THEM DOWN. But from the Quran THE ONLY scribes were the Scribes of the Quran (FiiSuhufin Mukaramat, Marfuhatin Mutaharat).

        080.013-16

        “(It is) in sheets / pages held (greatly) in honour (Arabic: fi suhufin mukarrama), Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy (Arabic: marfu’atin mutahhara), (Written) by the hands of scribes. (Arabic: bi’aydi safara), honourable and pious and just (Arabic: kiramin barara)”

        They refuse to read their history. They take the opinion OF THEIR SCHOLARS AS LAW BESIDE THAT OF ALLAH. They forget the jews and christians were led astray by thesame scholars… in Islam you must CHOOSE and FOLLOW a scholar. Independent thinking is mentioned but in practice IT DOES NOT EXIST. You cannot reach ANY conclusion different from the scholars (be you shia/sunni).

        How can one read these verses and still rely on scholars LAWS… found in the Hadith?

        “These are God’s revelations that We recite to you truthfully. In which hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?” 45:6

        “Or have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all things which God has created? Or that perhaps their time may be drawing near? Which Hadith, other than this (Quran), do they believe in?” 7:185
        “God has brought down the best Hadith; a book (Quran) that is consistent in its frequent repetitions.” 39:23

        “So in which hadith, other than this (Quran), do they believe?” 77:50

        All the verses above contain the same clear commandment not to follow anything other than the Quran.

        The Quran has all the details we need:

        “Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?” 6:114

        6:114 contains clear confirmation that:

        – God is the only source of law.

        – The Quran has all the details.

        Obeying Allah and Obeying the messenger IS ONE THING… Obey the Message (Quran)…

        At the end of the day, You ask… IS ALLAH NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU AS A JUDGE?

      • Ameen!

  9. As the other believers who only look for religious rulings in Quran have already covered most of it, I only wanted to add something that should be obvious. As is evident, these sects are already busy destroying their own members, members of other sects and members of other religions. They are busy with amputations, torture (stoning) and the list goes on. How can it get any worse when they have even invalidated half of Quran to justify themselves! They are too busy arguing about which feet to wash first when praying, rather than spending time on understanding what they pray.

    Allah has already provided us with the cause for such misery they face in the Quran. For example,

    “But whosoever turns away from My Message verily for him is a life narrowed down and We shall raise him up blind on the Day of Judgement.” – 20:124

    The sectarians will never believe. The reason for that is also explained in Quran. For example,

    “Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah’s sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense.” – 8:22

    I often read hadith from time to time but it is nothing more than wikipedia type collection. There is some wisdom but those 6(or 12?) books of hadith have no religious authority for me whatsoever.

    Influenced by western thought I am not. Neither will the deaf and dumb return to the right path by this post. My humble desire is to keep the righteous and naive people away from the evil ideologies that these sects have been spreading. Otherwise, I don’t have a desire for the slightest risk of encountering a takfiri…but I have to do my part for peace and humane conditions in the countries infested with these sects.

  10. I left this for a much earlier comment, but figured I would repost here at the end as well.

    Thank-you for saying this. Quranists. Submitters. Western Influenced Orientalists Liberals. Whatever. We are all Muslim. No one is trying to “convert” anyone (that I am aware of) to this “modern” way of thinking or looking at our faith. We just happen to be a small sect that believes all of our answers to any of our questions can be found in the perfect jewel, the Holy Quran. La Illaha Il Allahu.

  11. Selam eleikum brother and sisters,

    Do you as Muslim believe that when we follow the sunnah of Muhamed and when we do the next things we are correct:

    Say: I testify that Muhamed was the messenger of God, do you think that our prophet prayed saying his own name?

    Do you think that Muhamed had more than 4 wives and that he married a child? And if you believe this would this not mean that he did not listen to Allah s commandments?

    And the first verse begon with ‘read’, do you believe that he did not knew how to read and in the next 23 years also did not learn to read?

    Why did the hadith books come long after the death of our prophet? Why didn’t he made the hadith books when he was alive? Did the Bible need any other book to explain the Bible? Or the Torah?

    This is only a few questions to show our umma that the hadith books are fabricated and not true.

    I can give you 100 other reasons and Quranic verses where it is stated to not follow other hadiths.

    Just one thing, there will be no return of Jesus and there will be no coming of Mahdi, only in hadith books you can read this and as Muslim you should not believe any other book than Quran. It is even dangerous to believe in such hadiths.

    • We should try and learn from one another in the spirit of Umma, not in an antagonistic way. The bottom line to all sects of Islam is that we all submit to no other god but Allah. Remember this when interacting with one another.

  12. Just like the gospel is of Jesus. It took ONLY 40 years before the recording of the life of jesus started and THE ENTIRE MESSAGE of Christianity was changed completely! Imagine what would happen for a 200 year period. Telling a Hadither That The hadith is NOT PART of Allahs Instructions but a mere collection of ERROR filled works… is like telling a christian Jesus is NOT the son of God. They will say anything to reject THE QURAN ONLY. They tell you the hadith are ONLY explanations BUT THERE IS over 80% of what they practice of islam NOT FOUND in the Quran… and it gets you wondering WHY ALLAH would allow Bukhari to come and do the MAJOR part of traditional Islamic work ; COMPILING the hadith.

    They try to say THOSE who believe in the Quran alone Do not believe in the prophet THIS IS ERRANT LIE… The prophet live, Judged and when he died he left QURAN ALONE. If the hadith were part of the works he should leave for us. HE COULD HAVE SET UP A DIFFERENT SCRIBE TO WRITE THEM DOWN. But from the Quran THE ONLY scribes were the Scribes of the Quran (FiiSuhufin Mukaramat, Marfuhatin Mutaharat).

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    “(It is) in sheets / pages held (greatly) in honour (Arabic: fi suhufin mukarrama), Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy (Arabic: marfu’atin mutahhara), (Written) by the hands of scribes. (Arabic: bi’aydi safara), honourable and pious and just (Arabic: kiramin barara)”

    They refuse to read their history. They take the opinion OF THEIR SCHOLARS AS LAW BESIDE THAT OF ALLAH. They forget the jews and christians were led astray by thesame scholars… in Islam you must CHOOSE and FOLLOW a scholar. Independent thinking is mentioned but in practice IT DOES NOT EXIST. You cannot reach ANY conclusion different from the scholars (be you shia/sunni).

    How can one read these verses and still rely on scholars LAWS… found in the Hadith?

    “These are God’s revelations that We recite to you truthfully. In which hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?” 45:6

    “Or have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all things which God has created? Or that perhaps their time may be drawing near? Which Hadith, other than this (Quran), do they believe in?” 7:185
    “God has brought down the best Hadith; a book (Quran) that is consistent in its frequent repetitions.” 39:23

    “So in which hadith, other than this (Quran), do they believe?” 77:50

    All the verses above contain the same clear commandment not to follow anything other than the Quran.

    The Quran has all the details we need:

    “Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?” 6:114

    6:114 contains clear confirmation that:

    – God is the only source of law.

    – The Quran has all the details.

    Obeying Allah and Obeying the messenger IS ONE THING… Obey the Message (Quran)…

    At the end of the day, You ask… IS ALLAH NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU AS A JUDGE?

  13. The Quranist movement is a Zionist psy-opm make no mistake

    99% of the Quranists are non Arabic speakers.

    Those people are way out of depth.

  14. a lot of hadiths and stories about the prophet life are questionable, some even contradict with quran, people that collected them were like muslim and bukhari were very late after prophets death, the quran was collected to one bind book right after the prophet death and sent copies to other nations. the same cannot be said about hadiths and sira. the prayer and all 5 corners of islam are mentioned in the quran. a lot of salafi/wahabi liars say they without sira we wouldnt know the 5 corners of islam which is a total lie by them.

  15. Such irony.The so called ‘Thinking Muslim ‘ that actually refuses to do so properly and just follows the crowd because it’s ‘mainstream’. As if that is a criterion or a stamp of legitimacy.By that logic then the majority view is correct and the Americans were right to elect Donald Trump!
    Put very blatantly because really it has to be said in no uncertain terms :The Book that is known as the Quran is a divine scripture from God and preserved by God and the Hadith are entirely man made and have NO divine sanction
    So what you are saying is that a God created text needs the support of man made writings i.e hadith to interpret it, otherwise it’s impossible to understand it??
    Why does the Quran say it is detailed 6:114 ,complete and explains everything need in Islam16:89 ,12:111 ,that nothing has been left out of it 6:38 that every kind of example has been given in it 17:89?Does that not mean anything???
    Infact God challenges man to accept other than Allah’s word as Law 6:114 and to believe in any other hadith other than Allah’s Book 45:6 . The Quran calls itself the best narration -‘Ahsanul hadith’.39:23
    The Quran itself is replete with evidence that it is to be regarded as the sole authority when it comes to being a true believer and following Islam.
    It’s as if it was predicted that the majority of the “Ummah” would go astray 10:92 and hence the Prophet’s lament to Allah that his people have deserted the Quran surah furqan verse 30.

    • Firstly, the majority did NOT elect Donald Trump! Please pay attention to the news properly and how American democracy works. The electoral colleges did.

      Secondly, where did you get that the Qur’an is divine? Where did we get this? Where did we get that it was revealed to Muhammad (pbuh)? Where did we get the details for it? It was all through hadiths!

      Thirdly, your sect did not exist more than 150 years ago. Name me one person from the history of Islam who rejected hadiths before the invention of your sect. The reality is that hadith rejectors are a recent phenomenon with no grasp over Islamic scholarship and how the Qur’an and hadiths were actually preserved. And this is exactly why they are seen as irrelevant by the Muslim masses.

  16. Isn’t Almighty Allah capable of preserving His revelations as He promised He would (Quran 15:9 )? Isn’t the Most Wise, All Knowing, capable of making His revelation clear (Quran 65:11) to understand without the need for us to rely on hearsay? It seems just like the pagan Quraish who were fighting the prophet and his followers to preserve their pagan tradition, the sects have turned tradition into a religion and are willing to fight for it. Indeed Islamic history completed a full circle. From disbelieve to believe to disbelieve again.

    • He certainly is but you’re misunderstanding the the definition of ‘revelation’. Revelation is not just the Qur’an but also the hadiths. Allah is clear in the Qur’an that obedience to the Messenger is a huge part of obeying Allah. Allah Himself made the revelation like this in two parts. To say otherwise is ignorance. This is why Muslims have never rejected hadiths until in recent times. Secondly, not all hadiths are hearsay. They have been thoroughly reviewed by the scholars. Thirdly, the Quraish preserving their tradition has nothing to do with this. We have verified reports going back to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), which was not the case with the Quraysh. Lastly, I don’t know why hadith rejectors like to pretend that Qur’an can be understood without hadiths. There are numerous verses which cannot be understood without hadiths, for example:

      Why [is it that] when a disaster struck you, although you had struck with one twice as great, you said, “From where is this?” Say, “It is from yourselves.” Indeed, Allah is over all things competent. [3:165]

      What disaster is this verse talking about? What was struck twice as great? Tell me from the Qur’an.

      Another verse:

      And what struck you on the day the two armies met was by permission of Allah that He might make evident the [true] believers. [3:166]

      What two armies? And on what day? Where is this information in the Qur’an?

      And so on and so forth.

      • We don’t need to know the historical facts, because they are not important when following Islam. Although the verse might have a historical correlation, that’s not what we need, we just need the message.

        Verse 3:165 simply means that when you do a bad deed and a digrace hits you as a consequence, you can only blame yourself. You did that bad deed and now you deserve to be punished.

        Again, who cares what happened in verse 3:166? We don’t need to know who those armies were, or what struck them. The message can easily be understood by reading the next two verses:

        “And that He might make evident those who are hypocrites. For it was said to them, “Come, fight in the way of Allah or [at least] defend.” They said, “If we had known [there would be] fighting, we would have followed you.” They were nearer to disbelief that day than to faith, saying with their mouths what was not in their hearts. And Allah is most Knowing of what they conceal.”[3:167]

        “Those who said about their brothers while sitting [at home], “If they had obeyed us, they would not have been killed.” Say, “Then prevent death from yourselves, if you should be truthful.” [3.168]

        The moral of the story is: it’s not okay to refuse to fight for God.

        Also, I believe reading hadiths for historical insights is okay. We just read them knowing that there might be some mistakes, and not believing everything 100%
        Just like when we study history in school, we know that what we are studying is just one version of what actually happened, right?

        One last thing, you said that this Quranist movement is recent. Well, it’s not. Ibrahim al-Nazzam was a Quranist who lived between the eighth and ninth centuries. He even found a movement called Nazzamiyya. Its followers followed the Quran word ford word, and nothing else.

        I mean, it makes sense if you think about how many contradictions there are in the hadiths. Not only between the hadiths and the Quran, but also among the hadiths themselves!
        Take, for instance, the age of Aisha when she got married.
        There are these hadiths that state that she was only six years old. It turned out that there are other hadiths that do not line up with them, in fact they imply that she was actually 19! (source: http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm)

        I personally believe that things that have been left out of the Quran have been left out on purpose, because the Quran was and is meant to be a book for EVERYONE. The people who followed the Prophet and all the following generations until the Judgement Day. It is a UNIVERSAL book. And, obviously, you cannot expect society to remain still for centuries and centuries. It is going to evolve. And the Quran is ambiguous enough to let us evolve. For instance, the fact that we can’t draw living beings is not in the Quran, but it is found in a hadith, We can deduce that the prohibition of drawing was relevant at the time of the Prophet (pbuh) due to the fact that it was common to worship images.

        Yes, the Quran tells us to obey the Prophet, but can we hear the Prophet’s orders with our own ears? No. Because he is dead. All we have left is what people SUPPOSEDLY heard him say. Therefore, we don’t have the possibily to obey the Prophet. But we do have the possibility to follow the Quran.

      • Are you freaking kidding me? Historical facts are not important? And you wonder why the majority of Muslim world doesn’t take you guys seriously and never will.

        You CANNOT understand it without the historical contexts. The verse loses the true meaning behind it. This way then ANYONE can interpret any verse in ANY way.

        What kind of a person reads a book that has historical references, either directly or indirectly, and then says, “Oh, I don’t need those to understand what’s going on.” That’s called foolishness. And a book written with such a purpose is worthless and meaningless. So try again.

        And the moral of the story is NOT to refuse fighting for God. The moral of the story is to not disobey the Prophet’s command. This is what 3:166 is referring to. The whole reason those verses came down was because the companions disobeyed ONE command of the Prophet. That was the point. The 167 and 168 are speaking about hypocrites who refused to fight all together. 166 is focusing on the companions not they hypocrites. The latter are a separate case. All of this is evident to anyone who knows hadiths context. The explanation you gave was completely childish. I only gave two examples. There are many other examples like these in the Qur’an.

        Mainstream Muslims already have a scrutinizing system of separating between authentic and unauthentic hadiths. This is common knowledge. So what you believe is irrelevant. Also, the same people who preserved the Qur’an also preserved hadiths. Favoring one over the other makes no sense at all. It’s the same scholars.

        And Ibrahim al-Nazzam? Are you serious? He had little to no influence and is known for his criticism of the first generation of Muslims, whom he viewed as possessing defective personalities and intellects. The anti-hadith movement as we know it today has never existed until recent times. They are a result of colonial pressures. They have severe inferiority complexes towards the West. This is why their arguments are often exactly the same as Western academics.

        Any non-Muslim could show you contradictions in the Qur’an as well! Just do a Google search on it. Many anti-Islam websites are dedicated to this practice. But we Muslims reconcile those perceived contradictions do we not? So why not hadiths?! Well, us mainstream Muslims do so. I don’t know what on earth you people do.

        And OMG get over the age of Aisha! She was married to him when she was 6 and consummated that marriage when she was 9. So what?!!! Your great grand daddy during that time was doing the EXACT same thing. Do yourself a favor and take Anthropology or Sociology and educate yourself. It was the custom of the people of that time. Young girls marrying older men was no big deal. Quit judging their practices with your biased 21st century glasses. Prove to me from a scholarly source with references that it was not a common practice at that time. As for your reference website, it is basing this on an inference and not direct quote! We have a direct quote from Aisha that she was 6 at marriage and then 9 during consummation and all you can muster together is an inference from a statement? Like seriously?

        As for your last comment, can we hear Allah’s commands with our own ears? No we can’t. All we have is what Muhammad (pbuh) said he heard and recorded by people who also said they heard the Prophet (pbuh) say other things as well. Prove to me ONE SINGLE companion of the Prophet that rejected hadiths. Just ONE.

      • “You CANNOT understand it without the historical contexts. The verse loses the true meaning behind it. This way then ANYONE can interpret any verse in ANY way.”

        In verse 3:7 it says ” It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise – they are the foundation of the Book – and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those firm in knowledge say, “We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord.” And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.”

        In verse 39:18 it says “Those who listen to the Word, and follow the best (meaning) in it: those are the ones whom Allah has guided, and those are the ones endued with understanding.”

        Can’t you see that this is exactly the point of the Quran? To distinguish us on the basis of how we decide to interpret its verses? Some people “in whose hearts is deviation” will say that 4:34 says it’s okay to beat your wife in a certain circumstance, but some other people who are “the ones whom Allah has guided” will rather say that that verse does not say “beat them” but “separate from them”. If we needed hadith to tell us the meaning of the verses in the Quran, then what is 39:18 talking about?
        I hate it when people say Islam is an organized religion, because the truth is that it’s not.

        There are a lot of verses in the Quran which still today are not clear. Not even to scholars who rely on hadiths. Is this stopping us from understanding the core message? Obviously not.

        God used the word “hadith” in the Quran to warn us against hadiths. Why else would He use that exact word?

        “Did they not look at the dominion of heavens and earth, and all that GOD has created?. Perhaps their time is coming near; so in which HADITH after this will they have faith?” [7:185]

        “And from the people, there are those who accept baseless HADITH to mislead from the path of GOD without knowledge, and takes it as entertainment. Those will have a humiliating retribution.” [31:6]

        These are God’s revelations that We recite to you with truth. So, in which HADITH after God and His revelations do they believe? [45:6]

        Eccetera eccetera…

        God told us not to divide in sects and here we are divided in sects! All divisions came from hadiths, and this is a fact.

        You claim that there are no contradictions in hadiths.
        Okay, can you tell me why some hadiths say Aisha was 6 and other say that she was 19, then?
        Can you also tell me why the Quran says there’s no compulsion in religion and the hadiths say you should kill apostates?
        Can you explain why Quran 4:123 says “Paradise is not [obtained] by your wishful thinking nor by that of the People of the Scripture. Whoever does a wrong will be recompensed for it, and he will not find besides Allah a protector or a helper.”, but than we have a hadith that says that Muslims people will be saved from hell by replacing them with Jews and Christians?

        Also, about child marriage. People in the ancient times did a lot of disgusting things, like burying baby girls just because of their biological sex. Does it mean it was right? Marrying children is NEVER right. And the fact that Muslims are trying to justify it saying stuff like “Aisha was mature for her age!” makes me want to throw up.
        The Quran tells us that we can marry when we are mature. I don’t care how mature for her age a 6-year-old is. She is still a child.

        Please, answer this question honestly: would you ever give your 6-year-old daughter who still plays with dolls in marriage?

        People who condone child marriage probably live in the West, because otherwise they would know what a big problem it is in countries like India and Yemen.

        Honestly, I am so disgusted right now, yuk! I wonder how certain mentalities can still persist in the 21st century…so sad.

      • I’m trying my best to understand your perspective but it’s really hard to follow your logic. It just doesn’t make any sense.

        What you exactly trying to extract from 3:7? It has nothing to do with what you’re deriving from it. The Muhkamat are the verses that explain the the allowed, prohibited, laws, limits, obligations and rulings that should be believed in and implemented and are crystal clear. As for the Mutashabihat verses, they include parables, oaths, and what should be believed in, but not implemented. The clear verses are very clear in their meaning and explicit. The unclear not so much. For example, Christians might claim that `Isa is divine because the Qur’an states that he is a Spirit of Allah and His Word. But they ignore other verses that clearly assert that `Isa is but one of Allah’s creatures and that he is the servant and Messenger of Allah, among other Messengers. Similarly, the clear verses state that Allah is One but the unclear speak about His Attributes which are not completely clear. Same thing with the afterlife and so on and so forth. This is why it is reported in a hadith that once the Prophet (pbuh) recited this verse, and then said, “When you see those who follow what is not so clear of the Qur’an, then they are those whom Allah described, so beware of them.” (Bukhari)

        As for 39:18, it simply means that those who hear the Qur’an and follow its guidance. Not sure where or why you are bringing in ‘following interpretation’ into it. What is your evidence? Nothing like that is in the original Arabic. Your just implying something based on a very bad translation. The literal Arabic says “They follow what is best”.

        As for the verse on beating, first of all, it doesn’t say ‘beat’, it says ‘hit’. Again, this is Arabic 101. Dharb in Arabic means to hit. Where on earth are you getting ‘seperate from them’? This is nothing but false apologetics. Basic principle when it comes to language is that you take it literally unless there is evidence to indicate otherwise. It was a common practice during their times to discipline their wives physically. The only difference was that Islam told the men to not do it hard because before Islam they used to hit hard. But not a single hadith exists in which it is reported that the Prophet hit any of his wives so this is the preferred practice. But there are hadiths in which it is clear that some companions used to hit their wives and it was in that light the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said his famous words, “The best of you are those who are best to their wives.”

        You said, “God used the word “hadith” in the Quran to warn us against hadiths. Why else would He use that exact word?”

        Oh comon! Seriously? You guys will pull anything out of the hat to support your claims won’t you? ISIS does the same thing. They just pick random verses with specific words and say they have evidence FROM THE QUR’AN for their horrific actions.

        7:185 – This clearly speaking about the Qur’an that it is a revelation from God and to believe in it and follow it. It doesn’t deny the hadiths of the Prophet himself. It’s speaking in context of a revealed book. Because the SAME tongue of Muhammad that taught us the Qur’an also taught us hadiths!

        31:6 – Again a wrong translation. The actual Arabic says “person who BUYS the amusement of speech to mislead others from the way of Allah”. Look if you’re going to claim that you want to follow the Qur’an, then at least learn basic Arabic and be able to tell if a translation makes sense or not. Wouldn’t you be taking from the original Arabic? Why are you relying on OTHER people’s wrong translations or should I say their interpretations? You can’t make up your own mind? Anyway, this verse is speaking about those who purchase that which takes them away from the obedience of Allah and prevents them from His pleasure. THAT is what is meant by the Arabic Lahw Al-Hadith.

        45:6 – Again speaking about Qur’an but doesn’t negate the Prophetic statements. It’s speaking context of divine revelations. BTW, this also has misstranslation. The verse doesn’t say ‘revelations’ but ‘verses’. Not sure where you or the translator you’re copying and pasting from got ‘revelations’.

        Since you are so fond of isolated individual verses, then how can you ignore this verse: “And We revealed to you [O Muhammad] the message [Qur’an] that you may MAKE CLEAR to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought” (Qur’an 16:44). I mean that’s pretty explicit. What was he making clear? Why does he NEED to make it clear if it’s already all clear? Not sure why you guys cherry pick verses to support your case and then ignore the rest.

        You said, “God told us not to divide in sects and here we are divided in sects! All divisions came from hadiths, and this is a fact.”

        That is complete BS. Please study history and don’t make unproven claims. There are many reasons for the different sects and it has mostly to do with interpretations. Much of these interpretation are a result of outside influences (Greek, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, etc.) Everyone knows that when Islam spread, many people who converted brought their own religious and cultural influences into Islam and basically “Islamized” them and tried interpret verses from the Qur’an and Hadiths to justify them. Some sects are also due to political differences.

        When did I say that there is a hadith that says that Aisha was 19? I never said that. YOU said that. I said that based on the website that you sent me, it is a deduced understanding indirectly and is not a direct quote, whereas, we have a direct quote from Aisha that she was 9. Show me where Aisha says that she was not 9. But wait you don’t believe in hadiths right? So what makes you so sure that the Prophet even married anyone named Aisha? Maybe she’s just a figment of someone’s imagination. Why don’t you prove it to me from the Qur’an? And FYI, here is a link to hadith expert professor on the issue of Aisha’s age from Georgetown University: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsYk-tRp9jk

        Yes, not all cultural practices are correct but why didn’t the Qur’an clearly make child marriages forbidden even though it was a common practice in Arab culture? Qur’an forbids burying girls alive but why not this issue? If a predominant practice was wrong, Allah forbade it either through the Qur’an or hadith but there is nothing mentioned about marrying a child. It was left open to cultures. Your great grand daddy was doin it too. As for your question, if I was LIVING in that time, I wouldn’t mind giving my daughter because I wouldn’t have seen anything wrong with it just as YOU would have done the same. But today I will not because it is not part of my culture nor am I raised in it, so I would definetly not give my daughter at that young age. In the same way, I will not wear clothes of that period because the culture has changed though during that time I would have found it normal. That’s common sense. Seriously, go take Anthropology and Sociology.

        I can find you multiple veses in the Qur’an wich condemn Jewish and Christian beliefs and warn severely against them. What you trying to get at?

        Here is the reality. Your SECT didn’t exist before the colonial period. You guys have contributed nothing to the Qur’an. It was preserved generation after generation through SUNNI scholars who were also preserving the hadiths with it. The fact that 99.999999% of the Muslim world believes in hadiths should be clear evidence that your sect is NOT mainstream but only a REACTION to orientalism and western criticism and imperialism.

  17. Insha Allah the comment has gone through.

  18. To the “thinking muslim”,
    It is ironic you chose that name…because people like you do not think..they let others think on their behalf and resort to insults to make their point (yes it’s ironic because i’m insulting you:)).
    Allah said in his holy book the quran ‘ we have detailed EVERYTHING in this book’, so is that not clear???? do i believe Allah or humans who say the Quran needs Hadith to be complete. your choice.
    From the ‘real thinking muslim’. At least i hope so. In your misguided opinion, how did the Shia preserver the Quran? Let me answer you…NO ONE preserved the Quran except Allah himself…the one who split the sea for Moses and allowed Isa the powers to resurrect the dead…the prophet’s mohamed’s miracle is the Quran…it is a miracle it was preserved all these year and will do so until the end of times…so you’re saying Bukhari and his ilk are part of the miracle???? How could a persian man (Bukhari), who lived for 60 years managed to compile 600,000 hadith when he claimed he would travel for months and sometimes a year to collect one Hadith??? Answer me this question you non-thinking retard???

  19. Another question for the ‘thinking muslim’. When a Hadith contradicts the Quran, which one shall we follow? Allah in the Quran instructed Mohamed to deliver the message and not force it upon anyone…yet Hadith says we should kill anyone who rejects Islam…can you see the contradiction ‘thinking muslim’?

    In your opinion and the majority of the muslim community, which i don’t give two hoots about as you have become insignificant and downright misguided, I am a kafir although i professed my shahad to Allah and believe in him as he instructed, isn’t that not a contradiction? Allah has the power to judge…only Allah has to right to judge and punish, not fallible humans whom you follow, revere and even place above Allah.

    The quran says we are allowed a maximum of 4 wives, yet hadith blasphemes the prophet and said he had as many as 14…why would a messenger contradict his own message?

    I don’t care what humans say or do…i don’t care about history except for obtaining reference…i don’t trust ANYONE not even myself, but i do trust Allah and his book…that’s it. Let him be my judge.

    ISIS are only implementing sharia law that is based on Hadith, so if you don’t believe in ISIS then you shouldn’t believe in Hadith…you hypocrites who cherry pick from the Hadith when it suits you…Sharia law is based on Hadith, which is why it is barbaric and downright evil…go live in Saudi Arabia and see the evil for yourself…to tell me there is a difference between Saudi Arabia and ISIS would be a blatant lie and vain justification of your false beliefs.

    As Allah said in his book, you guys dress the right with evil…you have enveloped the great guidance from Allah with filth that is the Hadith…in which it says the prophet married a 6 year old and would sleep with all his wives in one night…he would burn the houses of people who do not pray yet the Quran clearly says not to judge or punish anyone…Hadith that tells me it is healthy to drink camel’s urnine…hadith that tells me a goat ate a verse from the Quran…it blasphemes the holy prophet and turns him into a lustful hateful man which wasn’t…only the enemies of Allah and his prophet would write such things.

    Is it any wonder the Muslims are lost, confused and downright misguided because so called scholars are guiding them to the abyss. Who cares about mainstream muslims? what contribution do you have except oppression of women and humans in general, beheadings and terrorism…show me one verse in the Quran that mentions beheading???? Allah specified rules for war in the context of self defence, so why would muslims justify invading other lands to impose Allah’s will, when he clearly instructed otherwise?

    I have given up trying to reason with retards, as Allah said in his book…those who do not see, hear or think…but YOU and YOUR EVIL SCHOLARS do not represent Islam…the veil is lifting and the light of Allah is beginning to shine onto humanity and there is nothing you imbeciles can do about it except threaten and insult. You are a disgrace to Islam and an insult to humanity. Let Allah be the judge on judgement day. until then, go and drink some Camel’s urine or marry a 6 year old.

    • Another whiny hadith rejector pissed off because I spoke the truth. I get one of you every few months bickering and making repetetive arguments that have already been answered. I’m not going to answer most of your ridiculous and ignorant claims because I’ve already discussed them with others in the comments section.

      Here is the reality. Your SECT didn’t exist before colonialism. You literally came into existence out of a inferiority complex towards the West. Allah did preserve the Qur’an but who did He use as tools? Pro-hadith scholars! You didn’t exist during the time of the companions remember? Name me a single hadith denier that helped preserve the Qur’an a thousand years ago. JUST ONE. So you can whine and complain all you want, the truth is the truth. This is why you are the laughing stock of the Muslim world. You represent a very minuscule minority.

      You also just dug yourself into a hole. You just said: “Did you know that according to Hadith when a man divorces his wife, he cannot re-marry her until she marries and gets divorced again with another man.” That’s funny because, that is exactly what it says in the Qur’an too: “And if he has divorced her [for the third time], then she is not lawful to him afterward until [after] she marries a husband other than him. And if the latter husband divorces her [or dies], there is no blame upon the woman and her former husband for returning to each other if they think that they can keep [within] the limits of Allah” [Qur’an 2:230]. I mean seriously, your SECT’s ignorance knows no bounds. At least do some basic reading before commenting, otherwise, it makes you look like an ignorant fool or are you too used to it and think it’s normal to be foolish?

      As for Prophet’s wives, get over it.He had more than four.Name me a single credible historian, Muslim or otherwise, that has said that he did not have more than four. If I use your logic, then how do we even know Muhammad existed and that he lived in Mecca and moved to Medina?

      As for camel urine mixed in milk? Sure, why not? Got some?

      Marrying a six year old, sure send me back to that point in time and maybe one of your predecessors is available? Prove to me historically from a credible historian that young girls marrying older men was NOT a norm at that time. You claim to follow the Quran right? Why didn’t Allah forbid this COMMON practice at that time? Can you show me a verse?

  20. freeaddress3121 Not all hadith are fabricated, Look through the signs of hour mentioned in hadith it’s all proven to be true, Yes you should not take hadith more seriously then Quran but at the same time, you should not completely reject the hadith.

  21. Aysha,

    Did you know that Hadith allows muslims to sleep with women captured in war? just like ISIS do. Did you know that according to Hadith when a man divorces his wife, he cannot re-marry her until she marries and gets divorced again with another man. Please show me a hadith that honours women and treat them equally with men and compare that to the true words of Allah below:

    “For Muslim men and Muslim women, and believing men and believing women, and obedient men and obedient women, and truthful men and truthful women, and patient men and patient women, and men with humility and women with humility, and for men who give charity and women who give charity, and men who fast and women who fast, and chaste men and chaste women, and for men who remember God much and women who remember God much,- for them, God has prepared forgiveness and great reward.” [Quran 33:35]

    Do you see how Allah talks about both men and women equally in the Quran? Please compare that to Hadith where a woman is just a commodity not to be trusted or even respected.

    for the record, i hate the word quranist…i prefer just muslim as Allah called us in his holy book…Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Alevis…they seperated from true Islam because of hadith and we all stand before Allah on judgement day to account for our beliefs and actions, but Allah warned us in the Quran not to use excuses like we followed our forefathers, the community or even the scholars…it will not be accepted.

  22. Quranists are happy to not be a part of the mainstraim Islam. There was not such a thing as Sunni Islam in the time of the Prophet, it was the first sect and God said that Muhammed has nothing to do with those who divide in sects.

    Hadiths are not written by the same Sunnis (people like you) who wrote the Quran, they were written 250 years after the death of Muhammed. Your hadith collections contradict the Quran and hadiths contradict themselves.

    An example of that is that Omar was obviously a Quranist. Hadiths claim that he said to Muhammed: the Quran is enough between us. Another hearsay and contradicting with the rest.

    If it’s not from God, you will therein many contradictions!

    Muhammeds sole duty was to deliver and follow Quran (himself) just like the other prophets. The Quran states that all prophets are equal and that they should be seen as equal.

    You don’t follow that command because you only follow the traditions of Muhammed and not of Jesus. I guess you think: but that’s because there is no trustworthy source of the deeds of Jesus and the Bible/New Testament is fake and changed.

    Yes, that’s true. But the same goes for the Hadiths. A lot of the hadiths have been deleted. Therefore it also changed.

    God said: “This is the Book about which there is no doubt.” There was and is surely doubt about the hadiths. God also said: “Don’t be among those who doubt.”

    Sunnis say that Muhammed has predicted the future in the Hadiths and that he has peformed miracles, but Muhammed has made clear that he is a just a human being who didn’t knew what would happen in the future and with himself.

    Jesus followed Gods revelation.
    Muhammed followed Gods revelation.
    Abraham and Moses followed Gods revelation.

    You follow the Prophet by following that which has been revealed to Muhammed [Quran], because that was what Jesus and Abraham also followed. They followed no one but God.

    And if you follow them you follow God and it’s the only way to make no difference between the prophets of God. If you place one higher then the other [by literally following everything he is said to have said or done — again: hadiths are hearsay] you disobey God and Muhammed.

    But God misleads not except the disobient.

  23. The essence of loving the prophet Muḥammad (SAW)
    loving the Prophet (SAW) comes with having a strong belief that his Sunnah and most importantly his sayings are important to us, he is the one who has started the din of islām and he will be the one whom we shall follow until the day of judgement. In order for one to love the Prophet (SAW) one should follow his footsteps because Allah (SWT) has made it clear that he has created for Muslims a perfect role model and the best of example for all of us to follow. so who are we to decline the best of role model and to follow these worldly materialistic things?
    Allah says in the holy qur’ān:
    لَقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِي رَسُولِ اللَّهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ لِمَنْ كَانَ يَرْجُو اللَّهَ وَالْيَوْمَ الْآخِرَ وَذَكَرَ اللَّهَ كَثِيرًا
    “In the messenger of Allāh you have a good example for him who have hope in Allāh and the last day, and remembers Allāh much”.
    Within this verse we can truly see that the Prophet (SWT) plays a very important role in every aspect of a Muslims life and it is very essential for one to allow oneself to understand that whoever loves the messenger of Allāh, they are valuing the immense favour of Allāh and whoever recognizes the tremendous value of Allāh’s favours will be given more as Allāh says in the holy qur’ān:
    وَإِذْ تَأَذَّنَ رَبُّكُمْ لَئِن شَكَرْتُمْ لَأَزِيدَنَّكُمْ ۖ وَلَئِن كَفَرْتُمْ إِنَّ عَذَابِى لَشَدِيدٌ
    “and when your lord announced: if you are grateful, I will give you more; but if you are not grateful, my punishment is severe”.
    Also, Allāh (SWT) bestows even greater favours upon us when one realizes the value of loving the Prophet Muḥammad (SAW). One should be aware that connecting with the Prophet (SAW) allow us to establish the connection between the relationship with Allāh.
    So in order to proof your love to Allāh one should love the Prophet (SAW) because indeed he is the best of role model that has been created by Allāh (SWT) and by loving the messenger of Allāh we are loving Allāh too, one should also accept the fact that following his footsteps mean that we are following his Sunnah and most importantly to accept hadith and to implement the prophet’s life in your own.
    Some people shall claim that the qur’ān is enough for them but they do not realize that they do not have any proof to serve it in shari’āh, their proof is rather not based on enough evidence to indicate that there is no need for hadith and the Sunnah of the prophet (SAW). These people are however known as Qur’ānist. People, these are the people who accepts qur’ān as revelation but rejects the religious authority and authenticity of Ḥadiṭh collections.

    is the qur’ān enough for us?
    The qur’ānist people shall reject the religious authority of hadith or the Sunnah because they do not agree with hadith as they agree with qur’ān they shall also claim that the qur’ān is enough for them and that there is no need for Ḥadiṭh or the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW) which leave essential aspect of islāmic faith. This result in a huge capacity of debates and also conflict with the practicing of the din of islām. These people do not have any clue or idea whether their facts or their proof are enough to support their point within shari’āh. How can one claim that the qur’ān is enough? And they do not realize that the true roots of living the qur’ān is that they need to live their life as the prophet Muḥammad (SAW) and most importantly to follow his footsteps.
    Before one claim that the qur’ān is enough for us, one should question them by asking, have they read the qur’ān and also do they understand the precious language that Allāh (SWT) use within the holy Qur’ān.
    As Allāh (SWT) says in the holy Qur’ān:
    بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالزُّبُرِ ۗ وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الذِّكْرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ
    With clear proofs and writings; and we have revealed to you the remembrance that you may explain to mankind what has been revealed for them, and that perhaps they may reflect on this.
    This clearly tells us that the Prophet (SAW) has been sent down to humanity for a reason and he was sent only by Allāh to explain these verses of the Qur’ān. Already, this indicates to us that there is no reason for one to reject Ḥadiṭh because Allāh has sent the prophet (SAW) himself to mankind so that he can implement, demonstrate and most importantly teach humanity the verses of the holy qur’ān, these people should be aware that there is no such thing as qur’ānic interpretation, without the use of Sunnah and Ḥadiṭh.
    The qur’ān provides very essential factors and framework for all of humanity but the life of the prophet Muḥammad (SAW) and his Sunnah provides the more in depth details of that particular framework. Allāh (SWT) wants us to have this growth within us to long and to sustain our inner strength or faith to follow the qur’ānic teachings but these qur’ānist need to understand that the true ingredients of faith within one’s heart is the strength that comes out of the love that a believer should have towards Allāh and his messenger which means one needs to obey both Allāh and the Prophet (SAW). Like Allāh (SWT) says in the holy Qur’ān:
    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ
    Oh you who believe obey Allāh, and obey the messenger
    What comes to mind is, Allāh himself speaks about the high status of the prophet (SAW) and how one should obey him, so who are they (qur’ānist) to reject hadith but accept qur’ān? Do they not realize that to practice and accept the qur’ān they should practice and accept hadith too?

    When one looks at the 5 pillars of islām.
    for example, what comes to mind is that Allāh says in the qur’ān that in order to perform ṣolāh we need to have wudu and in order for wudu to be valid one should be clean from ḥadaṭh meaning, they should be pure from najaṣāh. But how does the quranist or the qur’āniyoon accept the fact that Allāh speaks about these particular things in the qur’ān but knowingly that the qur’ān does not explain how one should perform wudu? Or perform ṣolāh? Does this mean that if one does not accept Ḥadiṭh they will just automatically perform wudu and ṣolāh without having full knowledge and specific intentions including certain sequences of what to do, because one should remember that the qur’ān orders us to perform ṣolāh and to be in state of purification but does not explain and indicate to us how to do the proper sequences or to perform the sequences.
    To look at it in another way. yes, Allāh tells us to perform wudu, but what breaks wudu is told in the Sunnah and in the Ḥadiṭh of the prophet (SAW), and one should be aware that the time of each and every prayer that need to be perform isn’t told in the qur’ān. Again, how does one deny hadith but follow the qur’ān without having the knowledge on how to make ṣolāh, how do one know what breaks wudu and most importantly how do one follow the proper sequences to perform wudu or ṣolāh and when to perform ṣolāh.

    • The latest version of anti-hadith …they translated the Quran using their own mind and they don’t do all the 5 pillars of Islam let alone to understand the 6 pillars of Iman.

      So there is no point to explain from the Sunni perspective about any verse from the Quran… they won’t listen… to explain about ablution and how many rakaah in salah is immaterial to them because they don’t perform salah.

  24. It is funny that this site is called thinkingmuslim when the author doesnt even think. All he keeps saying is “found recently”. Some commenters raise valid points and he veers off topic. Like Allah stating in the Quran about “other hadiths”, doesnt that sort of rings a bell? That the book that people say supposedly compliments the Quran is called hadith? If that isnt enough sign, surely you are among the deaf, dumb and of those who have no sense.

  25. And to anon April 13, details to do wudu’ is in the Quran. You should read more of the Quran instead of copying and pasting.

  26. the question is @lets talk
    do you love the prophet muhammad SAW?

  27. another question when one has the intention to perform hajj or umrah, where do you get the knowledge of knowing how to perform it? is it explained in the quran or in the sunnah of the prophet (SAW)

  28. @lets talk, how long did the prophet (SAW) received revelation

  29. to your rational answer based on me not reading the quran right, have you not realize that the way you are reading the quran is far wrong then the way im reading it, because the last time i read it was everyday trying to live it with the backup of hadith . im not the one who reject hadith or the sunnah of the prophet , did you not read the verses where allah praises the prophet (SAW) , how ignorant can you be? at the ned of the day its not worth it to argue with me in debates but rather to understand that whatevere answer ill give you it is either based on hadith or quran cause i accept hadith and i accept quran and one can only do this by loving the prophet (SAW) have you not come across the verse where allah made mention by saying
    قُلۡ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُحِبُّونَ ٱللَّهَ فَٱتَّبِعُونِى يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ ذُنُوبَكُمۡ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ • قُلۡ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَ‌ۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوۡاْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرِينَ surah , 3:31.
    “Say (O Muḥammād): “If you love Allāh, then follow me, Allāh will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is most Forgiving, Most Merciful”

  30. Lets talk – Indeed, the deaf, stumb and blind will never believe. They [Soenna Muslims] believe in some verses and reject others. They believe that they should follow the prophet, but they don’t believe that the Messengers only duty was delivering the messege. Muhammed followed only what was revealed to him [Quran].

    Anonymous, haven’t you read this?

    Muhammed only followed what was revealed to him and he is no more but a clear warner. His only duty was to deliver the Quran (46:9 and 10:15) Obey God and the Messenger: and if you disobey, know that the only duty of the messenger is the delivering of God’s messege. God does not love the disbelievers (64:12). Muhammed said that Quran is that what was reveleaed to him (6:19) He didn’t mentioned anything besides Quran!

    Quran is enough for those who believe: 4:48 5:3 5:44-46 5:48 5:49 5:87 6:21 6:38 6:112-113 6:114 6:115 6:144 7:33 7:185 9:31 10:15 15:9 16:64 16:89 16:116 17:41 18:27 18:57 20:124-126 22:52-53 24:18 25:30 25:43 31:2-6 41:42 42:21 45:6 56:78 66:1 85:21-22

    It’s just not enough for those who do not believe (Sunni/Shia). God hasn’t neglected anything in his Book. (6:38) You are so happy with your ummah but God is not. 42:21

    It is not for a human [prophet] that Allah should give him the Scripture and authority and prophethood and then he would say to the people, “Be servants to me rather than Allah,” but [instead, he would say], “Be pious scholars of the Lord because of what you have taught of the Scripture and because of what you have studied.”

  31. The FIRST VERSION

    The Book of Allah and my Family:

    Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:

    “I saw the Messenger of Allah during his Hajj, on the Day of ‘Arafah. He was upon his camel Qaswa, giving a Khutbah, so he said: ‘O people! Indeed, I have left among you, that which if you hold fast to it, you shall not go astray: The Book of Allah and my family, the people of my house.’”

    Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)

    Jami` at-Tirmidhi

    Vol. 1, Book 46, Hadith 3786

    http://sunnah.com/urn/636690

    Narrated Zaid bin Arqam, may Allah be pleased with both of them:

    that the Messenger of Allah said: “Indeed, I am leaving among you, that which if you hold fast to them, you shall not be misguided after me. One of them is greater than the other: The Book of Allah is a rope extended from the sky to the earth, and my family – the people of my house – and they shall not split until they meet at the Hawd, so look at how you deal with them after me.”

    Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)

    Jami` at-Tirmidhi

    Vol. 1, Book 46, Hadith 3788

    http://sunnah.com/urn/636710

    The SECOND VERSION

    The Book of Allah and my Sunnah:

    Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way. They are the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet.”

    Muwatta Malik

    Book 46, Hadith 3

    http://sunnah.com/urn/416890

    THE THIRD VERSION

    The Book of Allah:

    Third version, “I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the BOOK OF ALLAH.”

    Narrated by Jabir ibn Abdullah.

    I have left among you the Book of Allah, and if you hold fast to it, you would never go astray. And you would be asked about me (on the Day of Resurrection), (now tell me) what would you say? They (the audience) said: We will bear witness that you have conveyed (the message), discharged (the ministry of Prophethood) and given wise (sincere) counsel. He (the narrator) said: He (the Holy Prophet) then raised his forefinger towards the sky and pointing it at the people (said):” O Allah, be witness. 0 Allah, be witness,” saying it thrice.

    Sahih Muslim 1218 a

    Book 15, Hadith 159

    http://sunnah.com/muslim/15/159

    ==

    Hadith-followers, the Last Day will be terrible for you guys. Bye!

    • You don’t believe in hadiths remember? So technically, none of the above applies including following the Qur’an. Ahh contradictions, contradictions! No wonder you guys are laughing stock of the Muslim world.

      • I don’t believe in them, but this just proofs that there are three versions and that ‘sunnah’ is but one of them. It just proofs that it contradicts with each other. Don’t be among those who doubt.

      • Well you can keep selling that fairytale to yourself as much as you like it’s not going to make it any more true. Just because you see a contradiction doesn’t mean rest of the Muslim world does. In the same way when non-muslims attack the Quran and say that it contradicts itself it doesn’t make their statements true. Go ahead and do a Google search, they’ll quote you numerous verses of the Quran as contradictory.

  32. Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 43:
    وَكَيْفَ يُحَكِّمُونَكَ وَعِندَهُمُ التَّوْرَاةُ فِيهَا حُكْمُ اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يَتَوَلَّوْنَ مِن بَعْدِ ذَٰلِكَ وَمَا أُولَٰئِكَ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ

    And how do they make you a judge and they have the Taurat wherein is Allah’s judgment? Yet they turn back after that, and these are not the believers.
    (English – Shakir)

    Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 44:
    إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَا التَّوْرَاةَ فِيهَا هُدًى وَنُورٌ يَحْكُمُ بِهَا النَّبِيُّونَ الَّذِينَ أَسْلَمُوا لِلَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالرَّبَّانِيُّونَ وَالْأَحْبَارُ بِمَا اسْتُحْفِظُوا مِن كِتَابِ اللَّهِ وَكَانُوا عَلَيْهِ شُهَدَاءَ فَلَا تَخْشَوُا النَّاسَ وَاخْشَوْنِ وَلَا تَشْتَرُوا بِآيَاتِي ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْكَافِرُونَ

    Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.
    (English – Shakir)

    Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 45:
    وَكَتَبْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ فِيهَا أَنَّ النَّفْسَ بِالنَّفْسِ وَالْعَيْنَ بِالْعَيْنِ وَالْأَنفَ بِالْأَنفِ وَالْأُذُنَ بِالْأُذُنِ وَالسِّنَّ بِالسِّنِّ وَالْجُرُوحَ قِصَاصٌ فَمَن تَصَدَّقَ بِهِ فَهُوَ كَفَّارَةٌ لَّهُ وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ

    And We prescribed to them in it that life is for life, and eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for tooth, and (that there is) reprisal in wounds; but he who foregoes it, it shall be an expiation for him; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unjust.
    (English – Shakir)

    These verses make it amply clear that those who do not judge by what Almighty Allah had revealed be it the Taurat, Injeel, or the Quran are indeed disbelievers. Allah did not tell the Jews to take judgement from some sunna of their prophets but that they should judge only by what Allah had revealed and the same order is given to our holy prophet and his followers.

  33. My brothers and sisters. It is is in your best interest to follow only what Allah has revealed for anything else would lead you into the path of Satan the accursed. The Muslim sects have deviated so far away from the pure monotheism that our Almighty Lord demands, they are in danger of following in tbe footsteps of Christians and other peoples before them. How of you have been in a mosque where the name of Almighty Allah is put next to the name of the prophet as if they were equal? Didn’t Allah say in the Quran:

    Surah Al-Jinn, Verse 18:
    وَأَنَّ الْمَسَاجِدَ لِلَّهِ فَلَا تَدْعُوا مَعَ اللَّهِ أَحَدًا

    And that the mosques are Allah’s, therefore call not upon any one with Allah:
    (English – Shakir)

    • Brother, I highly suggest you do a little research and find out when your SECT actually appeared. You are a recent phenomenon. No reputable scholar since the time of the companions has ever rejected hadiths as an institution.

      • You should do some research. When did the Sunnah [and Sunnism] of Mohammed appeared? 250 years after this death. It’s a satanic innovation. There is NO SUNNAH OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMED.

        You will not find any alteration in the way of Allah (sunnat Allah) and you will not find any change in the way of Allah (sunnat Allah). (35:43)

        No such a thing as Sunnah of Mohammed. He followed the sunnah of Allah, which is in the Quran.

  34. Why is your only argument “Your sect is recent”?

    First of all, it’s not a sect.

    Second of all, don’t you see that that’s exactly what the Qur’an tells us NOT to do? It tells us not to follow what our forefathers did just because we don’t want to break tradition.
    “When it is said to them ‘Follow what Allah has revealed,’ they say ‘Nay, we follow what we found our fathers following.’ Even though their forefathers did not understand anything and were not guided?” [2:170]
    We need to think. Not follow like sheeple!
    “Do not follow that of which you have no knowledge” [17:36]
    When you blindly follow scholars and switch off your brain, you are going against this verse.

    Third of all, why do you have to be so arrogant? We can discuss our diverging opinions like civilised human beings, without you acting all scornful and superior.
    You claim to be on the right track, as opposed to our “deviating sect”, but then you forget the basic kindness and humility we, as Muslims, are supposed to show in our daily life.

    By the way, you still didn’t answer the question as to why the Qur’an says there is no compulsion in religion, but hadithists think it’s okay to totally ignore this verse coming from God, and accepting a hadith transmitted by a chain of men that says apostates should be killed.

    Or how they ignore the verse that says adulters should receive 100 lashes in favour of a hadith that tells us we should follow the example of monkeys (seriously?) and stone adulters.
    (Before you tell me lashing is for fornicators, not adulters, read 24:6).

    If you keep on refusing to think for yourself, all these comments trying to prove our points are useless. I know abandoning everything you’ve always believed to be true is hard, but would you rather live in a lie?

    Goodbye.

    • “Why is your only argument Your sect is recent?”

      Two reasons:

      1) Because it’s true.
      2) Because it irritates individuals from your sect. Perhaps at some subconscious level you guys realize that it really is true. And you bringing this up as the first point proves this point.

      “When you blindly follow scholars and switch off your brain, you are going against this verse.”

      The verse you quoted is talking about blindly following ancestors and traditions passed down without religious validation. It’s not speaking about legitimate religious based traditions. Otherwise, Qur’an was ALSO passed down and we follow blindly. If you’re going to reject hadiths because they were passed down by scholars, then you’re going to have to reject Qur’an as well. There are no two ways about it.

      “Why do you have to be so arrogant? We can discuss our diverging opinions like civilised human beings.”

      I’m harsh because individual from your Qur’anist sect are harsh. My original post was in response to a very annoying and cocky Qur’anist on reddit. I don’t have a problem discussing it in a civilized manner but your sect needs to show that it’s willing discuss the issue in a respectful manner. I’ve only met a handful Qur’anists online that are actually respectful when discussing the issue.

      “Why the Qur’an says there is no compulsion in religion, but hadithists think it’s okay to totally ignore this verse.”

      I can show you verses in the Qur’an which seem to indicate to kill disbelievers wherever you find them. They’re there and you can look them up on ANY islamophobic website. But those verses have specific context and understood through the lens of Prophetic example. In the same way, hadiths have context and need to be understood after gathering all the hadiths on the topic and plus examples of the companions and scholarly commentary. If you do that, you would find those hadiths are not as controversial as islamophobes or those who are effected by their false propaganda (Qur’anists) think.

      Do yourself a favor and buy the book Misquoting Muhammad by Dr. Jonathan Brown.

      Your last comment on adultery made no sense whatsoever neither did your verse quotation of 24:6. If have no idea what you are trying to say.

      “I know abandoning everything you’ve always believed to be true is hard, but would you rather live in a lie?”

      I don’t believe I’m in a lie. In fact, I know believing in hadiths is part and parcel Islam whether you accept it or not. It’s even in the Qur’an, which you claim to follow:

      And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. [Qur’an 4:64]

      But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission. [Qur’an 4:65]

      He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away – We have not sent you over them as a guardian. [Qur’an 4:80]

      You need to really ask yourself. Why did your sect only come into existence in recent times? You guys have no history before the colonial period. You’re just a modern phenomenon. A result of Western propaganda.

  35. Seriously that’s so stupid… U ignoramuses who follow hadith are wrong, your also going to hell for following man. Quran is complete, god says so many times.

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